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Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.07 13:40:00 - [1] And we wonder why the international media juggernaut is a form of entertainment and not the bastion of true journalism that it should be Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.07 13:48:00 - [2] I wonder of if Woodward knew that destroying the state of the Presidency would of got him prison time if he would of told Deepthroat to shove it? Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.08 11:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Umega Well, atleast it is reassuring to see that some people get it. Posting secret documents/info a country/government has can cause conflict. How many people really want a war(s)? It shouldn't matter what country the 'leaks' are on. We're all human. I think people have had their minds warped by biased media that exists in every country. No.. your country is NOT special and does not have unbiased journalism, no one does. Quit that crap. This isn't some Real World drama ** that plays out for people to be entertained.. which is sadly the case with a lot of you. Admit it or not, idc. Since people like conspiracy theories. Here is one.. Assange has contacts or is upto his old hacking tricks. Paid by corp or government that wants to see go down, and by that.. I mean boom boom fighting. He potentially now has the means to make such happen.. and his employeer is pleased. Before he hands over the 'Golden Chalice of Truth' to his employeer or made released.. he needs to be made to disappear. Sent to Prison.. on a nice tropical island. I can come up with crap out of my ass too that actually sounds legit. Doesn't make the you read true. Freedom of speech is wonderful.. gives people the freedom to lie out of their ass, remember that. Freedom of speech shouldn't be a tool that esculates the world landscape into warfare and the death of people. That's simply **ED UP. Some of you really need to get your head's checked. Woodward and Bernstein destabilized the US government by taking out the credibility of the President of the USA. This surely would have equated to endangering the US during the cold war right? Why were they allowed to expunge the top secret and illegal dealings of the presidency, yet today if a journalist exposes a government as liers and cheats it is espionage and should be treated by death? Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.08 13:32:00 - [4] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 08/12/2010 13:35:44 Originally by: Astenion I think the Watergate scandal was much less damaging to the US and its interests...it was mainly about Nixon and his covering up of the break-in. These papers compromise an entire network of intelligence gathering all over the world and the repercussions will be far, far more damaging. Watergate was about Nixon's presidency and an election, not about national security. It's the exact same thing that happened in the Valerie Plame case, yet the Bush administration intervened and gave Scooter Libby a suspended sentence, which is a travesty. Everyone involved in the outing of Plame should be tried and sent to prison, yet they made Libby take the fall and Bush protected him when the courts found him guilty by keeping him out of jail. So information should not be released just because it is damaging to those that committed the acts. How very Machiavellian of you Trust me, I know that governments do bad things and that they do not want them getting out, and that sometimes these dirty little secrets can cause massive upheaval when they get out, but we can not sit around and let other governments get trounced for their corrupt natures and then turn a blind eye when our own governments get caught with their pants down. We should always continue to strive for governments that will do less damaging things in the name of their people then their predecessors. And quite honestly if one is unable to look their general populace in their eyes and take account for a specific decision then one should think about that decision a little longer and think "if this gets out what could it do to the country." EDIT: But unfortunately most politicians, across the board, are in it for themselves and not "their people." Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.08 22:38:00 - [5] The following quote is an excerpt from an point of view paper, On WikiLeaks and Government Secrecy, published in The National. The last sentence is about where I see things need to go with this discussion. Originally by: Jordan Stancil It was clear in these cases that NGOs, on their own, never could have achieved the outcomes we did because they never could duplicate what embassies already have: an information-gathering network that works seamlessly with state power, has direct access to leaders of other states and doesn't have to rely on the slow mechanisms of public pressure. Secrecy is one of the state's tools that can help in some human rights cases, so to the extent that WikiLeaks succeeds in taking that tool away, it will reduce the likelihood of helpful intervention. But reducing our ability to keep secrets might also reduce the likelihood of counterproductive or aggressive intervention. What we are talking about here is the ability to interfere in the internal affairs of foreign countries and the extent to which secrecy makes us more or less able to do that. The secrecy issue WikiLeaks raises is not about striking the right balance between openness and safety. That is a false debate, because in cases where safety is truly threatened, it's obvious that openness must be curtailed, as it always has been ever since the First Continental Congress met in secret in 1774. The right debate is between differing definitions of the national interest. Is our national interest better served by engaging in the kinds of interference in foreign countries that secrecy permits, or is it better served by requiring openness that might restrain our ability to interfere? Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.09 14:25:00 - [6] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/12/2010 14:25:50 Originally by: Riedle Originally by: If a real journalist had real news, he'd publish it for its own sake. But by using his "news" as a bargaining chip, he gives away his game. It's not journalism. It's espionage. It's a weapon of war. And if police try to hold him accountable to the law, he'll use his weapon. That is just righteous. Maybe the stuff he is holding is so sensitive that he knows that it would really screw **** up if he released it and knows that it is better for him to keep that info under lock and key until the time requires it to save his ass or to blast those how wrongfully imprison him or at the worse, kill him. See I can make blanket hypothesis about a persons motivations without any personal contact or knowledge of an individual as well EDIT: typos Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.10 00:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Anyone who belives Assange doesn't have an angenda is fooling them selves or a liar. Everyone has an agenda. At this point it is up to numerous individuals hypothesizing on what exactly his agenda is, but truly we will never know exactly what it is until he actually speaks of it. Originally by: Astenion Why shouldn't he? Well, because he's claiming to be a journalist, and a journalist with an agenda to intentionally do harm to a government instead of simply reporting his findings in a neutral and unbiased way isn't a journalist anymore, but rather an ENEMY to not only said government, but free press and free speech in general. I am not sure you can really draw those lines as cleanly as you want them to be drawn. I dare say that there is no hard line definition or ethical standards to follow other then to check your sources and publish only what you know to be true, which we all know that a large percentage of the worlds media outlets fail miserably at that as well. Originally by: Astenion Had he gone after China, Russia, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea with the zeal he has had for the US, I might be inclined to feel differently. He is perverting the entire reason Wikileaks exists, using it as a vehicle to further his own personal vendetta against the US. This is why I don't feel he should be protected under the whole freedom of the press/freedom of speech laws, because he IS NOT the press. WIKILEAKS should be protected, but not Assange. The following is a list of releases from Wikileaks since 2007 when Assange came in as the head. I will admit that this list was extrapolated from Wikipages, but I think that most of these can be verified with some research I do not have time to do at this point. But I list them in counter to your statement that makes it sound like all leaks from Wikileaks have been targeted at the US. - a decision to assassinate government officials signed by Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys." - In August 2007, The Guardian a story about corruption by the family of the former Kenyan leader Daniel arap Moi based on information provided via WikiLeaks. - a March 2003 copy of Standard Operating Procedures for Camp Delta detailing the protocol of the U.S. Army at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp was released - released allegations of illegal activities at the Cayman Islands branch of the Swiss Bank Julius Baer - published what they referred to as "the collected secret 'bibles' of Scientology," - membership list of the far-right British National Party was posted to WikiLeaks, after briefly appearing on a blog. - WikiLeaks released 86 telephone intercept recordings of Peruvian politicians and businessmen involved in the "Petrogate" oil scandal. - released 6,780 Congressional Research Service reports - of contributors to the Norm Coleman senatorial campaign - set of documents belonging to Barclays Bank that had been ordered removed from the website of The Guardian - report relating to a serious nuclear accident that had occurred at the Iranian Natanz nuclear facility in 2009. - internal documents from Kaupthing Bank were leaked - British document advising the security services on how to avoid documents being leaked - announced that a super-injunction was being used by the commodities company, Trafigura to gag The Guardian newspaper from reporting on a leaked internal document regarding a toxic dumping incident in the Ivory Coast - hosted copies of e-mail correspondence between climate scientists, although they were not originally leaked to WikiLeaks. - 570,000 intercepts of pager messages sent on the day of the September 11 attacks - published the alleged lists of forbidden/illegal web addresses for Australia, Denmark and Thailand. These were originally created to prevent access to child ****ography & terrorism, but the leaks revealed that other sites that are unrelated Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.12 14:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 12/12/2010 14:43:21 I find it funny that a country that was founded by a common feeling of distrust in the sovereign has produced so many willing 'Koolaid' drinkers. Especially history majors So Toshiro, were do you get your numbers about death tolls in Iraq and Afghanistan, and where do you verify that they are actually factual? I am not saying that they are fudged; I am saying that the US has **ed up enough in my lifetime for me to question everything that they do. As well as the leaders of most industrialized nations and Nation States that pose a threat to the industrial world have done as well. I am not saying I support Assange in totality, but I do support that original operating mission of Wikileaks. Personally, if a government is going to make me a criminal for making decisions that should not be criminal and say that I am accountable for my actions since I am a legal adult with 'full capacities', then when my government gets caught with their pants down, legally or illegally, then they should face charges. With technology as it is this type of thing is not preventable and will continue to occur as long as people with access and a 'conscious' exist at any level in governmental organizations world wide, so the real debate should be revolving around the following question. Originally by:** Jordan Stancil from The National Is our national interest better served by engaging in the kinds of interference in foreign countries that secrecy permits, or is it better served by requiring openness that might restrain our ability to interfere? EDIT: As for criminals getting off all the time, that is mostly true primarily for people with excessive amounts of money to subvert the legal system. Most 'normal' US citizens do not get away with crimes they may or may not have committed. Just look at the US prison system. So you saying the the US is law abiding to a fault is laughable honestly. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.12 14:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Pan Crastus Got to love brainwashed US citizens who cannot write a straight sentence in their own language, but want to explain the world to everyone else. ;-) Instead of posting a worthless bait post why do you not cite some of the sentences you take head with and make your points. Otherwise you are a pedantic *****. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.12 15:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Pan Crastus I am hereby confirming that I am a pedantic *** and that you missed the point. But don't expect me to address any of the mindless drivel the brainwashed folk have been spewing forth, it's just the same boring bull** the right-wing politicians are spreading through the usual media for dumb people and has been commented far too many times already. Confirming you made three points and I missed none of them Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:

Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.14 04:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Wendat Huron Wow, a Republican who is not an evil ****, who knew!? He is closer to what Republicans are supposed to be then what the Republican party is currently. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.14 14:08:00 - [12] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 14/12/2010 14:09:32 Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk The one thing I'd like people to think about here is how all this stuff really works - and maybe if they can understand that they can understand why the US has to protect it's right to have secrets. If a government is unable to keep their secrets under lock and key then they suffer the consequences when they get out. One does not kill the messenger; I will accept that you can go after the individual that gave up the information and give them their day in court though. Other then that the government should fix their leak and then go on with business and try not to let any get out again. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.15 19:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Bhaal If he was releasing Chinese/Russian secret documents, he'd already be dead. And if said secrets actually aided in US foreign policy you would probably be cheering for the guy Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.16 13:42:00 - [14] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/12/2010 13:45:56 Originally by: Bhaal If you have healthcare programs that hand out medical services like candy, guess what, ppl will abuse that. And insurance companies denying people basic generic drugs that are needed for chronic conditions, that the individual has the insurance for, because they do not want to pay for them, all the while filling Vigra prescriptions so old men can **, is a joke. I think you need to spend a little more time in the medical field, and hopefully not for similar reasons me and many others in the US the world deal with. Originally by:** Bhaal It would be nice if we lived in a Gene Roddenberry world, but we do not, power & global policy making mean a lot to the top dogs, and if the USA is to slip from the top of the hill, someone else will be there to take the mantle, and it will not be your happy happy joy joy country. It could wind up being someone a lot more evil & secrative than the USA. Ah yes, the we are the big dog on the block so nothing we do is wrong mentality, and if other people think we are wrong they can just deal with it. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.16 14:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Bhaal It could wind up being someone a lot more evil & secrative than the USA. That implies that since we are not the "worst" that our government has the right to do what they want in the name of freedom, stamp Top Secret on the accounts of said actions, and then they never have to face any consequences for actions that should have never been set in place. That is how a government should be run Originally by: Bhaal Bottom line is, in today's world, there is a top dog waving its ** in the face of everyone else, and at the monemt it IS the USA. A yes, **, er I mean saber rattling, is always the best way to get stuff done. Maybe if we held our international companies in check and stop then from completely destroying the working class in parts of the world that do not have the protection we have, then some of the many problems we face internationally could possibly be diluted. But no we want out companies to continue to make fat bank at the detriment to world affairs and continue to use our money to fund their protection and not the companies that cause the problems. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.16 21:43:00 - [16] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/12/2010 21:43:37 Originally by: Bhaal You act like this is normal operating procedure.. Get real dude. Anyone can take a random deviation from the norm and try to spread it around like it is common practice to justify their position, sorry, not buying your crap. Crohn's patient here and reporting that me and more then a few others have been denied medications when insurance plans were changed at work and the doctor wanted to switch up the medication regime. This also happen to numerous individuals suffering with chronic conditions of all types. You not being familiar with the situation does not invalidate the occurrences. Originally by: Bhaal It's more likely people are strung out on uneccessary prescriptions all the while seeking medical attention for every little sniffle. A portion of the population are crying wolf a bit too much, driving the cost of healthcare services through the roof for the rest of us. Add to that the sue-happy population and all the lawyers ready to take on the plight against the evil Dr's purposely purforming malpractice, and it's no wonder why they need a 500k/year salary so a huge chunk of it can go to malpractice insurance. I do not disagree with this. Originally by: Bhaal The people of the USA consume way too much in terms of health services, just like many consume way too much food. The liberal left loves this, and just wants to create a society where more hand holding is the way of life, they love their sheeple, it's how they get elected. No thanks. Yes; it was the liberal left that created the consumptionist mentality in this country Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:

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